| [ photo ] in KIDS 글 쓴 이(By): LinLing (링링) 날 짜 (Date): 2003년 4월 5일 토요일 오전 09시 26분 00초 제 목(Title): 야시카/교세라 T 시리즈에 대한 추가 정보 뒤져보니까 우리나라에서도 Yashica T4, T5D 모델은 아주 유명세를 탄 적이 있군요. 사진에 관심을 갖게 된 게 극히 최근 일이라 몰랐음. 유행과 칭송이 대단하네 -_-; 제가 가진 Kyocera TD는 비네팅/터널효과는 별로 없습니다. 가운데 인물에 초점을 맞추고 찍으면 약간 뒤쪽의 배경이 아주 선명하게 나오는 현상이 있는데 그건 렌즈 특성상 주변부 묘사가 정교한 편이라 그런다네요. 원래부터 풍경묘사에 정평이 있는 렌즈라나. 참고로 20년 가까이 이 카메라를 썼는데 풍경을 찍은 적이 단 한번도(!) 없습니다. 가끔 맑은 가을이나 봄날 찍은 스냅사진이 너무 잘 나와서 즐겁게 두고두고 본 적은 몇 번 있지요. ------------ * ISO 200 이나 400 짜리를 권함 http://members.aol.com/waponi/photos/phd.htm : 후.. 사진 잘 찍는당 ㅡ.ㅡ ------------ http://www.pluto.dti.ne.jp/~sonnar/photo/yashicat.htm http://www.koalanet.ne.jp/~yokoyama/sub5_6.htm ----------- T 시리즈는 최근 바리오-테사로 진화하여 Kyocera TZoom 이라는 모델로 재탄생. 줌렌즈라 스펙상 밝기나 셔터 성능이 떨어지는 듯 보이지만 28mm 광각이 됨! 조금만 더 밝고 빠르면 좋겠는데.. http://www1.kiwi-us.com/~mizusawa/penguin/CAMEdata/kyocera/tzoom.html http://www.kyocera.co.jp/prdct/optical/camerabody/compact/tzoom/tzoom02.html --------------- 商品名 ??年月 ?格※ 搭載のCarl Zeissレンズ YASHICA T AF-D 1984年 5月 51,800円 Tessar Ｔ＊35mm F3.5 YASHICA T AF 1984年10月 46,800円 Tessar Ｔ＊35mm F3.5 YASHICA T AF-D DX 1985年11月 51,800円 Tessar Ｔ＊35mm F3.5 KYOCERA TD 1986年 6月 52,700円 Tessar Ｔ＊35mm F3.5 KYOCERA T SCOPE 1988年 2月 46,800円 Tessar Ｔ＊35mm F2.8 KYOCERA T SCOPE2 1990年 8月 43,500円 Tessar Ｔ＊35mm F2.8 KYOCERA Slim T 1992年 4月 38,000円 Tessar Ｔ＊35mm F3.5 KYOCERA Slim T ＜ア?スグリ?ン＞ 1992年 6月 38,000円 Tessar Ｔ＊35mm F3.5 KYOCERA T PROOF 1995年 9月 41,000円 Tessar Ｔ＊35mm F3.5 => Yashica T4(super), T5(D) in US/EUR KYOCERA T zoom（新商品） 2002年 8月 43,000円 Vario Tessar Ｔ＊28mm～70mm F4.5～8 ------------ 제 목:[정보]야시카 T4 성능(해상도)관련 글 모음 관련자료:없음 보낸이:신정섭(sijosae) 1996-12-10 13:49 조회:1588 1/17 ─────────────────────────────────────── 어느분이 Yashica T4 Super의 해상도 관련된 정보를 얻고자 하셔서 관련글을 올립니다. 뉴스그룹에서 구한 10여명의 글로 영문상태라 읽어보기 피곤할 지 모르겠으나 갈무리해서 읽어보면, 관심있으신 분들에겐 상당히 유용한 것 같아서 올립니다. 주로 해상력, 성능, 문제점등에 대한 지적입니다. 성의없다 생각치 마시고... 번역실력이 워낙... 그럼 시작합니다. ==================================================================== consumer reports rated these small cameras: Ratings: 35mm Models 14 tested SCORE BRAND/MODEL IMAGE FOCAL FLASH WEIGHT PRICE 90 Yashica T4 Super Weatherproof (no zoom) 5 35 10 8 $185 89 Yashica Microtec Zoom 70 5 35-70 11 9 165 88 Ricoh R1 (no zoom) 5 30,24 7 6 220 87 Olympus Infinity SuperZoom 2800 4 28-80 14 12 220 84 Pentax IQZoom 80-E 4 38-80 11 10 170 84 Canon Sure Shot 70 Zoom 4 35-70 11 10 160 80 Minolta Freedom Zoom Explorer 4 28-70 16 10 215 80 Nikon Lite-Touch Zoom 70 4 35-70 11 8 180 77 Samsung Maxima Zoom 90i 4 28-90 16 14 300 76 Konica Big Mini Zoom TR BM-610Z 4 28-70 15 11 230 72 Kodak Cameo Auto Focus (no zoom) 4 28 8 8 80 72 Ricoh RZ-770 (zoom) 4 35-70 14 11 150 64 Canon Sure Shot Owl (no zoom) 4 35 9 10 80 62 Konica Big Mini VX BM-701 (no zoom) 3 29 8 7 110 ====================================================================== The Yashica T4 cannot be matched for 6 times it's cost. I have personnally taken 11x`13's which are sharper than my Nikon 28-85 photo's. I have a friend who this T4 as well as a Leica and he can't tell thre difference. ========================================================================= I would reccommend the Yashica T4. It's extremely small, and takes very sharp pictures. I've been using one for about a year for parties and even when travelling. With a good film, you can get high quality enlargements up to 11"x14". ====================================================================== For a poster that large, you better buy a 4 X 5 camera, at least! You *might* luck out and get acceptable results with 120, but I doubt it; posters need to be tack sharp, usually. With 35mm, 11 X 14 is as big as you can reasonably expect to go, even with 25 speed film. There's just no substitute for size... ====================================================================== I used a T4 for a year and found the lens <very> sharp. I took pix at a 100-mile running race and couldn't tell the results from SLR. But then, I once carried an Olympus Infinity Stylus during a 50K trail race and took a picture that was blown up to 11 x 16 and used full-page in Running Times. Never underestimate this itty-bitt cameras. They're great. A salesperson at Keeble & Shuchat in Palo Alto showed me prints shot with a Leica Mini II. Little bitty cows way off in the distance were amazingly sharp. I'm wavering between the Mini, which is not a great runner's camera, and the T4, which is OK. (The Stylus is perfect with its clamshell case.) ====================================================================== >A friend is considering buying a P&S Strongly suggest the Yashica T4 Super. I just returned from Europe with a dozen rolls of the best pictures I've ever taken. Although it may limit my creativity relative to my SLRs, I'll never lug around bulky and heavy equipment again. Well, maybe if I go to Africa. <g> Al Olk ======================================================================= > Don Hinds <donh@zoomtel.com> writes: > (About the Zeiss Tessar lens in the T4) > > >You got a bad sample for sure! The T4 rates among the BEST, even as good > >as most SLR primes. > > No matter what name is on it, it *is* just a 4-element Tessar design. > Apparently Tessars are somewhat soft when wide open, so the results you > get may well depend strongly on aperture. And since the camera doesn't > tell you what aperture it's going to use, you can only vaguely guess > what it was. > > So maybe you should expect the T4 to produce very sharp images only > on bright days. This also seems like an incentive to use faster film > in the camera, too. I don't remember where I read this, but I did read that that T4's program is weighted fully toward high shutter speed, and the top speed is 1/700. As the program was described, it maintains 1/700 while progressively opening the lens until the lens is at f 3.5. Then it starts increasing the exposure time. The message I get from that is to use fast film. ASA 200 had been my standard simply because I was used (for black and white) to using Ilfords XP2 at that rating. So I automatically bought ASA 200 print film. When I realized what the behavior of the T4 was, and when I realized how much ASA 400 print film had improved in the past couple of years, I switched to 400 and have been quite satisfied with the results. P.S. I do my own processing and printing, and always print 8 x 10, so I am fussy about grain and sharpness. =========================================================================== jeez, martin, how many times have you posted this comparison? i have both the t4 and the 35ti, have done side-by-side comparisons with an slr w/ 35/2.0 using the same scene, film, processing, and printing (all done by yours truly). i can say, from first-hand experience, that the t4 isn't even in the same league as the 35ti. the t4's lens is very soft in the corner of the image (especially wide-open, which the 1/700 shutter encourages), and has significant light fall-off to boot. i could pick out the t4's pictures by their flaws with great ease, while the 35ti and the slr gave results that i couldn't distinguish. the t4 might very well be the best of the budget camera crowd, but it aint up to the standards of the 35ti. heck, it aint even up to the standard of the c.1970 'petri color 35' that i picked up at a swap meet for $30. have you actually ever compared these cameras? ============================================================================== >I disagree at least partly with your point of view. I think that especially >the Yashica T5/T4 Super is suited for using slide film - under most >conditions. The Yashica's exposure automatic is resulting in very good slides >when used in sunshine, twilight, dawn and night (its flash has - contrary to >other P6S on the market - nearly no tendency to burn out the center and >dropping the light toward the edges). It's true. The T4's exposure meter is AMAZINGLY accurate. I would even go as far as saying it puts the meters on many of the contax SLRs into shame. Wide-open, the 3.5/Tessar yielded rather soft images. At least on my T4. Therefore how you could manage to use it in low light situations as mentioned above is intriguing to me. This wide-open softness is most evident when you take two consecutive flash-lit indoor shots, one with the autoflash and the other with the fill-in flash. Do this on a tripod if you want to exclude camera shake factor in this comparison. >The problems appear when each SLR >metering (matrix included) also has problems and where you have to use a >manual override. Due to the lack of compensation features on the Yashica T5 >Super you will not get perfect results under those circumstances. >But that does not mean that it is useless to shott slides with it. No, I wasn't saying T4 and the likes are useless for slide shooting. No camera can be said to be useless for that matter. For snapshots like those at parties they can even reach parts and places bigger cameras cant. Having said that, your wouldn't lose anything if you opted for negatives in situations like these. When you have to use slides. for their better definition and saturation, I would always pick up a camera whose exposure system is manipulatable, or even better, whose aperture is manually selectable. > Marcus regards ============================================================================ My T4 was never very sharp and vignetted a lot. Never liked it much. ============================================================================ I have a Yashica T4 Super and am carefully evaluating it and the pictures it produces. My take on the camera is this: 1) As far as super-small 35mm cameras go, it has the best picture you'll get, more or less. Contrast is great and focus is great on landscape shots, better than most SLRs I've seen. In fact, some people say my prints belong on a calender or postcard. But... 2) On two brand-new T4 Super cameras I've tested out (Fuji Reala in sunny, cloudy and indoor conditions), there is a some visible degradation at the periphery of each shot. Most people probably wouldn't notice (since they're looking at the scene, not the print, but since I shot my own pictures, I notice it and am bothered by it greatly. There's also a slight loss of brightness at the periphery of each of my prints. 3) The general picture focus can be slightly different if I shoot landscape shots in landscape mode (infinite focus) versus autofocus mode. The latter would be less accurate than the former. 4) The exposure meter is quite accurate. For ISO 100 film, it's really hard to get a wrong exposure. The only time is when the foreground is dark and the background is very light; the foreground is shot somewhat dark as opposed medium tone. This is a problem common to a lot of cameras, so I wouldn't make a big deal of it. 5) The camera can give magical images with Fuji Reala; not really so with other film and speeds, IMO. But take note of 2), which spoils things a bit. 6) If the problem in 2) didn't exist and the camera was sharp edge-to-edge, it would destroy a LOT of SLR sales. Apparently, this edge degradation is a known issue with the T4 Super (according to some other people I've shared E-mail with on the topic) so this is why the T4 is not going to destroy the SLR industry. There also is no adjustment for aperature and shutter speed, and it appears the algorithm is weighted towards high shutter speed (hence, the aperature is wide open) to minimize camera jitter. I haven't tested the Rollei Prego so I can't comment on it. ============================================================================ I own both cameras. The T4 Super has a far better lens and I think also has a better exposure system which might be important if you shoot slides. I cannot distinguish prints taken with the T4 from those taken with either a Pentax or Canon SLR but I can pretty easily distinguish the prints taken with the Olympus Stylus from the others. The Yashica is also "weather resistant" (read: has better seals on the body). Neither camera affords the user much control over exposure compensation, apeture etc. Frankly, the only advantage (other than price) of the Stylus is the neat clamshell cover. The Olympus is a nice P+S, the T4 is a just slightly handicapped (not enough creative control) serious high quality camera. ========================================================================= ......웃기냐? 응? 웃기냐? 응? 퍽퍽퍽퍽! |