| [ Christian ] in KIDS 글 쓴 이(By): RNB (rainbow) 날 짜 (Date): 2001년 12월 12일 수요일 오전 03시 15분 35초 제 목(Title): My correction to your summary To parsec, You summarized fairly good. I want to correct some. you said: Can I restate your thought as follows? 1. 'Belief' include both 'belief from no ground' and 'belief from evidence'. 1-1. belief cannot be called illogical in one word. 1-2. In short, belief can be logical or not logical 1-3. Some beliefs are illogical. But some aren't. 1-4. If evidence changes, a logical belief can become illogical or an illogical belief can become logical __________ 1-1~3 are correct. 1-4: We didn't discuss about evidence. Only I considered "evidence" as one of primary factors. Evidence does not equal to logic. Evidence is a subject, whereas the logic means usually procedure. logic is based on the evidence ultimately. but we can extend our logic to unknown world based on the evidences of known world. The reason why I introduce "evidence" is that, belief is dependent on evidence. (whereas, as you said, belief is independent of logic). So that if evidence changes, belief can become "known" or vice versa. Logical/illogical are independent of evidence. I mean, from the same evidence, both ways of logical thinking and illogical thinking are possible. so my correction is: 1-4. If evidence changes, a belief can become "known" or a "known" can become a belief. 2. Some conclusions from belief can be the same to those from logical reasonings. 2-1. In short, some belief can be same to logical conclusion 2-2. Same conclusion from belief does not conflict with logical conclusion, althought it is not a logical conclusion itself. ____________ 2-1~2 are correct. The very important thing I want to add is, you categorized belief/logic based on the procedure. But for me, belief/known (its contents) are categorized based on evidence, meanwhile, logical/illogical (procedure) can be categorized by whether it is literally logical or not. In short, the rulers to categorize belief and logic are not one, but they have their own individual rulers. so, if someone got the conclusion just from his belief, that's not logical way. But if someone got the conclusion from his logical thinking and he believes it, then that's logical belief, (the procedure is logical, at the same time, the content itself is a belief, not the known (assume there is no evidence). I mean there are many kind of possibilities exist. belief+illogical (unknown case), belief+logical(unknown case), known+logical (true case), known+illogical (false case). The thing I recommand you to think is, the evidence and logic are not the same matter. so my addition is 2-3. Some belief are based on the logical conclusion itself. you said: 3. From 1 and 2, belief is independent of logic. _______________ I agree with you. My correction is: 1. and 2. can be merged simply to 1., because 2. and 1. say same thing in different expressions. |