| [ Christian ] in KIDS 글 쓴 이(By): RNB (rainbow) 날 짜 (Date): 2001년 12월 6일 목요일 오후 03시 46분 56초 제 목(Title): Re: Definitions You said: Now I see your thought. You were speaking about the 'conclusions' match or not. And I was speaking about the way you get the conclusions, if they can be in the same category. __________________ Now you got the point. Let me explain more. Usually, we use word, "belief", (for example, what is your belief?, my belief is....), we indicate the content of the belief. In same way we use 'logic', (e.g. your logic), we indicate the content of that. Based on the contents of logic, we call it illogical or logical, "I believe I can walk on Mars." and "If NASA makes vacation program on Mars that I can buy the ticket for,I can walk on Mars." In that case, my belief is "I can walk on Mars." My logic is "If NASA..., I can walk on Mars." which is logical as you agreed. and its conclusion is "I can walk on Mars" very easy. My belief and logic do not conflict to each other on the same matter, "I can walk on Mars" but you didn't deny that there must be conflict. You asked me to prove my logic for my believe to be logical. (sorry I cannot catch the point of this so far) anyway. If you say, "the process of believing and logical way of thinking cannot have common." or "The way of believing is different from the way of logical thinking" then, that's true. I agree with you and I says many times, belief is free from logic, which means I can belive anything I want, regardless of logic. But if you say "my belief is illogical (because its simply belief)". then what belief do you indicate? you have no indication from your definitions. That's not the common use of belief and logic but your own usage. Real meaning of "my belief is illogical" is, "The content of my belief is lack of logical explanation." If there is logical explanation, my belief can be logical (although not proved yet), if not, illogical, or just no body knows. You said: Then, to understand you more, let me ask you this: Do you think that "conclusion A from belief and conclusion B from logical reasoning match" means the same thing as "A is a conclusion from logical reasoning"? _______________ I cannot catch the point. "I can walk on Mars" comes from both my belief and logic. If A and B matches (in my travel case, A=B), than what's the differenct between A and B? I mean, A is a conclusion from logical reasoning. B is a conclusion from logical reasoning. Aboves are same statement since (A=B). I cannot catch your point. I don't believe your question is trivial as, When A and B are differnt and A and B match in some part (A1), but not in the other (A2), A (A1+A2) is a conclusion from logical reasoning? we cannot say that because A does not equal to B. I don't know if it will be anwear you want. |