| [ Christian ] in KIDS 글 쓴 이(By): parsec ( 먼 소 류 ) 날 짜 (Date): 2001년 12월 3일 월요일 오후 06시 13분 17초 제 목(Title): Re: Extension of logic toward belief > you said: > 덕분에 "논리를 적용할 수 없으면 비논리적이지 않다"라는 생전 처음 > 듣는 희귀한 '논리'도 접할 수 있었고요. > ____ > That's not my opinion but your narrow definition. > If I cannot apply my logic (to some idea based on belief), my idea can > be illogical and also cannot be illogical. > But you insist that the idea "should be illogical" by you narrow > definition. > That's the hole of your idea. Okay, then let me see your example, > I already suggested many of example. > [1]. "I believe I can walk on Mars" > According to your definition, This belief is illogical. As far as there's no logic behind it. Which I required for your belief on miracle. > but not for me.If you need I can talk to you hundreds of thounds of > logical thinkig that support my belief. > For your understanding, > "If the NASA project will be funded so that they accomplish the commercial > travel program to MARS within 50 years, and if I earned lot's of money > including my social security returns, then I got the ticket to MARS > accompany with my wife." > Is it illogical? It is a conditional reasoning. The 'If' clauses are still to be proved before you can call it a logical deduction. When you believe [1], you are believing the conditions in [1-1] are sure to be reallized. Assuming the condtions are true, [1-1] itself is a logical deduction. But if you belief [1] with [1-1] as the basis, it is not a closed logical reasoning. Because there are unproved belief in there. > Your answear should be one of the two. > 1. my belief is illogical although I have logical reasoning (according to > your narrow definition) > 2. That's not the belief but logical thinking. (according to your > definition) My answer: Your belief is illogical because you have improper logical reasoning. > Did you proof whether I can go to MARS or not? At some point, my logic does > not work because simply I don's konw all thing. > I have no reason to hesitate to call it "belief". but you will not call > it belief due to you narrow understanding of belief. and also call it > conflict to logic. (what detail is conflict?) It is a belief because you did not get to the conclusion with proper logical reasoning, but starting with only possibilities which are not proved. > Both way you have very narrow and ackward conclusion. This is rather a hasty conclusion, I would say. ◇ ~~~_ _ ∴ ~|~| | _/__, SEP. 11. 2001 _ ∴∴ _ ~ | | ＼ ` Armorica under a tat ,-| `,-,_| |__ | | | A ______|_|__|_|___|__|| | |__|_|_____________________________________ |